Global Land Forces Modernization Media Briefing at the National Press Club

Global Land Forces Modernization Media Briefing at the National Press Club

At a media briefing at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C, on October 7,2014, Northrop Grumman executives Greg Schmidt and Jeff Palombo discussed several key global logistics efforts in support of our U.S. and allied customers. Moderated by Mark Root, director of media relations, the event focused on land forces support, including the modernization of aging systems, platforms and components, as well as training solutions to improve 24/7 mission readiness.



Global Land Forces Modernization – Introduction


Mark Root, Northrop Grumman CorporationMark Root
Director, Media Relations,
Northrop Grumman Corporation

Good morning, everyone. I'm Mark Root, the corporate director of media relations. I work for Randy Belote, who regretfully couldn't be here this morning.

Thank you for joining us today. This is another in our ongoing series of our capabilities briefings—what we call our pillar briefings—around our four pillars, our four core capabilities—cyber, C4ISR, unmanned, and of course today, logistics and modernization.

We have decades of experience in designing, developing and producing and supporting a wide range of military platforms and systems and capability that operate in space, in air, and land, surface, subsurface environments.

We continue to invest and focus on providing technical capability to affordably meet our customers' requirements. And we employ innovation to develop technology and capabilities, both in the design of our products and in the sustainment and modernization of these products. And I think today you'll see some good examples of that from our two speakers.

We fully support our products and services globally, which we'll also talk about today. We work shoulder to shoulder with our customers. Many of our employees are co-located with our customers in other countries, and they often operate on customer locations.

Our deep technical capability, our focus on affordability and innovation, our long history of successfully supporting our products and services we believe make us uniquely qualified to provide the types of logistics and modernization that our customers need in this budget-constrained environment.

We leverage our technical excellence and sustainment experience to deliver excellent logistics and modernization, both for our products and services, as well as for other systems and capabilities that our customers own and operate. In fact, in the previous press briefings we had on logistics, I think we talked about sustainment and modernization of Northrop Grumman systems and platforms, particularly in aviation. Today we're going to shift emphasis a little bit and we'll discuss sustainment and modernization of land forces systems, both ground and air, not originally built by Northrop Grumman.

We have two of our senior leaders that are going to talk about logistics here. Greg Schmidt is our vice president and general manager for our Mission Solutions and Readiness division in our Technical Services sector; and Jeff Palombo, vice president and general manager, Land and Self Protection Systems division, Electronics Systems sector.

If you need any clarifications during the briefing, feel free to ask any questions. Otherwise, we should have time at the end for additional questions.

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National Training Center Mission Logistics Support, HMMWV Modernization, and Saudi Arabia Ministry of National Guard Aviation Support – Video


Greg Schmidt, Northrop Grumman CorporationGreg Schmidt
Sector Vice President and General Manager,
Mission Solutions and Readiness Division,
Northrop Grumman Technical Services

I'd like to start off today by talking about our efforts out at Fort Irwin, California. Fort Irwin, as many of you know, is the U.S. Army's premier training site. And we were very fortunate to again be selected by our Army customer to continue our mission support contract in late July of this year. We've supported the training for the U.S. brigade combat teams, Marines, and many other allies at Fort Irwin for the past 14 years.

In addition to that, we're also responsible for a same-capability, same-type of contract over at the Joint Readiness Training Center at Fort Polk, Louisiana.

It's this activity that really allows us to go well beyond just the operational readiness of the wheeled and tracked vehicles. It really provides, us as a corporation, some keen insight into our customers' challenges of today while we're anticipating some of their future requirements.

Along with the activities that we've done at Fort Polk and at Fort Irwin over the years, we've also been very instrumental in many of the U.S. Army critical training programs, including the mission command training program. As many of you may recall, this was at one time called the battle command training program at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, where we've been involved in training battalion III Corps commanders and their staffs since the original Desert Shield and Desert Storm back in 1990.

We're also involved in the mission command training center down at Fort Hood, Texas; again, supporting the U.S. Army III Corps in their six associated posts throughout the country, including Fort Carson in Colorado Springs.

We're also involved with the Army National Guard, with their mission command training and support program.

And then finally, we've been supporting the Joint War Fighting Center down in Suffolk, Virginia, for a number of years, where we train the joint command staffs.

So what we've done is really tried to take all this knowledge to gain better insight into our customers. And we've been able to design some very unique innovations for affordability, both at Fort Irwin and some other areas as well.

At Fort Irwin, we've developed a fleet readiness status, which we'll be glad to show you in some detail. The program is called ReadyBlueTM, and as you can see, it runs on an iPad. It's really giving the opportunity to greatly increase some of the efficiencies at Fort Irwin. And we've just started to deploy that under our new contract.

In addition to that, the other thing that we're involved with at both Fort Irwin and at Fort Polk is Northrop Grumman has put in a brand new training network—the advanced cellular network—across both facilities that will provide real-time voice, data and video to greatly improve the situational awareness of the battle spaces when we're going through these major training exercises.

The other thing that we've done, based on all the sustainment operations that we've done, is really started to look at vehicle modernization, and asking, “How could we take that knowledge that we've gained over the years in sustaining and keeping the fleet readiness up to date—how could we do that to work on some new vehicle modernization activities?”

I'd like to talk a little bit now about the HMMWV (Humvee). Many of you saw the poster as we came into the meeting room today. We believe that HMMWV—which, as you know, has had an enduring role with the U.S. Army and the Marine Corps, and many other international militaries—will again have a role for us for at least the next 25 years.

But what's happened to the HMMWV is a natural reaction to the IEDs (improvised explosive devices) and the roadside bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan. We basically had to, as you know, greatly increase the armor—i.e., up-armor the HMMWV—putting that on the original chassis, as it was designed.

What this did was it greatly degraded or limited the capabilities of the HMMWV. In addition, it also provided for a significant decrease in fuel economy. This decrease in fuel economy led to the need for increased tankers; i.e., convoys. And you can see where this really becomes a spiral effect.

So, what the Northrop Grumman solution provides is we're actually able to, through the use of a new chassis for the HMMWV, to regain the HMMWV back to its original performance and payload capability while maintaining the up-armor, or the protection. So it's this balance, this triangle that we're really looking for in this balanced approach that we have.

I invite many of you to come join us next week at the AUSA convention, right here in DC. We will have our HMMWV solution on display, and there's also a press briefing, I believe, next Tuesday as well on that. So please come see us.

The last area I'd like to talk about is some of the work that we've done from an international standpoint. As you know, we are an international corporation, and we've been working some of the same challenges that I've described over in Saudi Arabia for the last 40 years, working specifically with the ministry of the National Guard. During this period, our team has provided continuous training, logistics, sustainment services and operational support to the National Guard.

Over the last two years, Northrop Grumman and our joint venture, Vinnell Arabia, has significantly expanded the effort into rotary wing assets. In 2012, we began supporting the introduction of rotary wing assets into the National Guard with the integration and support of 12 MD-530 aircraft. The fourth brigade or the training brigade was established at that time, in May of 2013, as the aircraft were delivered for the first time in Saudi Arabia.

Since then, we've supported the guard in reading several important milestones. Over the last 18 months, we've had more than 2,000 flights, 20,000 aircraft maneuvers, and 4,000 flight hours with zero safety incidents. At the same time, our operational readiness of this aircraft has consistently been above 90 percet. We've also trained 24 Ministry of the National Guard pilots and three instructor pilots for the MD-530 aircraft over that period of time.

As we move forward with the National Guard, we're looking forward to working with them in providing comprehensive airfield management and operations starting on January first of 2015. And this is for the first brigade, the first aviation brigade, which will be stood up at that time. And that will consist of 12 Apache helicopters, 24 Black Hawks, and 24 Little Birds.

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Electronic Warfare Enhancements and Black Hawk Cockpit Modernization – Video


Jeff Palombo, Northrop Grumman CorporationJeff Palombo
Sector Vice President and General Manager,
Land and Self Protection Systems Division,
Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems

Greg has kicked off with some of the things that we're doing from a logistics standpoint. And I think as you recognize at this point, historically logistics was about spares and repairs; that's what you kind of thought about, how do you keep things running.

But really, in today's environment, it's so important to talk about sustainment and modernization, and the things that we're doing with sustainment and modernization. So that includes the introduction of next-generation capabilities into existing weapon systems. So recognize, in this world that we're in of few “new starts”—and what I mean by that is, few new weapon systems that are being produced today, in production, or being designed—the importance of upgrades and enhancements becomes more and more relevant as you look at those platforms that are out there and the period of time that they're going to remain being fielded. So you look at Chinook helicopters, for instance, and when they were first introduced, and how long they're going to be in the field, for instance.

And so, those upgrades and enhancements are looking for very mature technology that's out there today that can be adapted. It needs to tout rapid implementation; so, how quickly can these kinds of things get into the field. Lower amounts of non-recurring engineering; in an environment where the budget is tight, the amount of dollars that you put in on the front end is very important. And then, of course, we need to concentrate on the reliability of the systems. Those systems need to be effective, reliable and highly available platform-to-platform, when you put them out there.

The other part of upgrading an existing weapon system isn't just about the electronics. And so, we, at Northrop Grumman, have been concentrating on the engineering side of things, the test side of things, on the design and the installation of those upgrades. That has become exceptionally important. So you're going to hear me talk today about things called Group A and A-kits. I don't know if you're familiar with that, but we're going to go into that in a little bit of detail.

Group A and A-kits are essentially the things that you do on a weapon system to install the electronics. So it can be the bracketry, the cabling, the cooling, the piping, whatever has to take place inside an airplane or a helicopter, for instance.

And what we have found out, that it can be darn near as expensive to do that kind of engineering and do the installation of a new capability on a helicopter or a fixed wing airplane as the actual new capability is. And so, when we look at upgrades and enhancements, it's those things that we need to pay attention to make sure that it's affordable, not only from buying the electronics, but actually being able to put it on the airplane.

And what we found out is, if that A-kit or Group A change is very expensive, it could actually preclude the change in that weapon system to continue to make it relevant into the future. So the design of the upgrade, that new capability, how it gets integrated into the platform is just as important as the capability itself.

And so, it does require a very large degree of innovation and design integration, installation. These are really key to an affordable modernization.

So one of the areas I want to talk about today is that we have seen, over the last several years, that there hasn't been a tremendous amount of investment by the Department of Defense, or indeed globally in the area of electronic warfare. And so, with not having that kind of investment from the various governments and industry over a period of time, you have to start to question the relevance and the survivability of those platforms that we have out there.

And at the same time, as we've all recognized now, the threat that's out there continues to evolve very quickly, and the threat evolves relatively inexpensively as compared to the protection on the airplanes. And so, when I talk about this lack of investment over a period of time, I'm talking about the United States and I'm talking about our allies. We have a heck of a lot of catching up to do.

So think about it. Take note of the theaters of operation that we are now in. When you think of the things that are going on in the Ukraine, think of Syria, the fact that we're near Iraq, the discussion around North Korea. These are all theaters of operation where electronic warfare becomes, really, very important to us.

And like I said, this is an area of concentration for Northrop Grumman. And I think that our customers are starting to see the benefit of how we're doing this; how we're doing upgrades and how we're concentrating on keeping the cost of actually implementing this in the airframes as inexpensive as possibly.

So I'm going to go through two specific examples today to give you some idea of what I'm talking about. And the first is a system called the APR-39D(V)2. And this is a piece of aircraft survivability equipment. It's a radar warning receiver. And the APR-39 is a piece of ASE (Aircraft Survivability Equipment) gear that's been on helicopters and airplanes for years. And it's on darn-near every helicopter in Army and Air Force and Marine Corps inventory, for instance.

The fact of the matter is, a few years ago, we recognized, as an industry and a customer base, that that radar warning receiver really needed to be upgraded. It needed to have an enhancement attached to it. And what we did is we looked at the capabilities that we had within the organization to create a new digital radar warning receiver that could be backfit into that same real estate—I talk about real estate all the time on platforms—into that same real estate on a helicopter or an airplane.

And essentially, I'm going to be very repetitive in what I talk about here, when I talk about modernization through logistics and sustainment.

So the first thing is we talk about maturity, and the capability of this system because we're drawing upon an electronic warfare system suite and family of capability that's very mature. And so, it gets repurposed and repackaged for a certain application here; in this instance, for the helicopter market, for the Navy, the Marine Corps and the Army.

The second thing is speed to deployment. So, the fact that we've not been upgrading these airplanes for a long period of time means that the threat has evolved and we're not up to that level yet. So speed of deployment is very important.

And so, when you deal with the evolving threats, we have to make sure that we can get these capabilities on the airplanes as quickly as possible to increase the survivability of those platforms. Very important in an evolving environment.

Affordability. Once again, we've talked about affordability. When you're dealing with a mature system, it does keep-down the initial cost of nonrecurring engineering. And as you know, that's very, very important to both the U.S. government and our allies, alike.

And when we do things like this—modernization through logistics and sustainment—we're generally talking about innovation more than invention. It's kind of interesting, two words both start with the letter “I,” but in this environment, they are tremendously different. When you are inventing something, generally it takes a long period of time and a lot of money. When you are being innovative with product and capability that you already have, you're taking that capability and elevating it to the specific purpose and mission of the platform that you're looking at.

So essentially, that's what we've done here with the APR-39. And then, talking about affordability, remember I talked about that A-kit and Group A? So when you deal with helicopters, you're talking about an A-kit—how do I put something on the helicopter? And you say to yourself, “Well, how could that be expensive?”

And, so, I'll give you a quick example. I brought a radar warning antenna with me. Pretty small piece of gear. There are four of these that would go around the helicopter, for instance. But think about it: every one that goes on the helicopter, you have to cut a hole and you have to get some kind of cable into it.

And so, what happens if the antenna you're going to use is a different size, shape, and has to go in a different location on an existing platform? You've got to seal that hole, or put in a new hole, or change the hole, or change the cabling that goes there. So essentially the reuse of the cabling, the bracketry, the location of an antenna is very important in this regard as well.

So for APR-39, it's not only about the electronics going on inside of the aircraft, it's about the antennas as well around the outside of the aircraft, and keeping that rework to a minimum for your customer and A-kit installation.

The other thing is you can't end there. We talk about how fast the environment is evolving. And therefore, when you put a new system on an airplane today, you've got to make sure that it's prepared to be used and upgraded well out into the future so that it doesn't have to be replaced in its entirety.

I talk about protecting our customers' investment. So in the case of the APR-39, that system will go on airplanes with an extra slot in the electronics. Then there's lot of things you can do with extra circuit card slots. For instance, we're trying to get more connectivity, digital connectivity into the battle space. This is an area where you could put a communication card into an existing system that's on an airplane, like an APR-39D(V)2, in lieu of adding an additional system.

And everyone knows the holy grail for helicopters: size, weight and power. So any time you can do more in the same space with the same amount of power, you have a tremendous advantage.

You can also take the APR-30 and take it to the next level in survivability and add an active RF jamming capability. So not only would you detect an RF (radio frequency) signal, a radar signal, but you would have the ability to jam that signal for the survivability of that platform.

So overall, the importance of the APR-39D(V)2 in terms of modernization really changes the survivability and the upgradeability on helicopter platforms. Size, weight and power: very important.

The second example I wanted to talk about is, I wanted to give an example of fixed wing. So fighter jet. Fast jet. F-15 capability. The F-15 is another system whose electronic warfare suite has not been updated in a very long period of time. And think about what we put inside fighter jets. So essentially you're thinking about a round fuselage and we're putting in square boxes. They just don't fit the way you'd like them to.

So think about swapping out an entire system. And, in this case, we're talking about the tactical electronic warfare system, or TEWS—that's in existing F-15s—and how intrusive that could be to an airplane if the LRUs (line-replaceable units) are completely different, have to go in different locations, need new cabling, have to figure out how to get cooled differently because these are all air-cooled—could be even liquid-cooled—inside a fighter. Very intrusive in terms of what would get done. And in this case, on a fighter jet, it's called Group A, as opposed to the A-kit that we talked about.

So the F-15's EW system has to be modernized to keep this system relevant in the wars that we are in today. So, essentially putting in fifth-generation EW capability into a fourth-generation fighter. And not only do we have to pay attention to the electronics, but we've got to pay attention to the Group A associated with this as well.

Okay, so another show-and-tell with us today. By the way, it's also dressed for Breast Cancer Awareness month.

So picture what we're looking at here. The outside here, the white portion of this, this is essentially a rack that lives inside an F-15. As a matter of fact, if you think of the airplane—you get to drive.  So, Greg gets to drive. I am the second seat behind Greg. So, the airplane is in this fashion. The speed break for the airplane is over the top, right in back of the second seat. And so, this LRU, this line replaceable unit, is down under the air break. And essentially what happens, if you have to do logistics or changes to this, you have to lift up that speed break, tilt it, hyperextend it so you can get at this, and then be able to make changes. This is just from a maintenance standpoint.

Think of what happens when you have to  change—this is one of nine line replaceable units in the electronic system—think of what happens when you have to change all of the cabling, all of the cooling in the airplane, how expensive and intrusive that would be. So what we've done is taken a next-generation, a fifth-generation EW system and made it essentially formfit into the existing amount of real estate for this particular bay in an F-15.

So where a new system may force you to do a complete recabling, we're able to drop this in the identical location without changing the cabling on the airplane. And we've taken it one step further. When you come up here, you'll see that it looks like there's two boxes inside of here. Essentially, with the modern capability of the technology, we were able to condense that EW system for this LRU into a single unit. The second unit essentially acts as the interface to the airplane so that we don't have to make any changes.

So it becomes a very, very cost-effective way to upgrade an F-15, versus changing locations, having to do more cabling, figuring out what the cooling requirements are going to be. So, a very economic way to go to a fifth-gen capability without being overly intrusive to the airplane.

I wanted to give one more quick example. You may have read recently that the U.S. Army has done a rather unique acquisition of upgrading the UH-60L Black Hawks. There's an L digitization program. And Northrop Grumman is very proud to have been selected to do that particular upgrade for the UH-60L. It's going to be designated as a UH-60V, Victor.

And essentially what the Army is doing is the same thing. They're upgrading through modernization. So they're going to take a legacy analog cockpit—think of this: old steam gauges and things that you see in the movies—and replace it with a modern, digital, integrated avionics glass cockpit. And so, the U.S. Army has recognized: “I can save a whole heck of a lot of money if I upgrade and modernize my existing platforms, versus going out and buying brand new helicopters.”

So you're going to see kind of the same discussion here. You're going to see that same prime set of examples—cost savings, speed to deployment, increased situational awareness and survivability, affordability, and use of modularity to be able to upgrade.

And so, we're going to go into this subject in a lot more detail in one of Northrop Grumman's C4ISR follow-on discussions later this month, October 28, here at the Press Club, as well.

So Greg and I were really happy to provide you with some insight today into what we're doing globally with logistics, sustainment and modernization. And you can tell from our examples that we're looking at ways to make our forces, our service people execute their missions and come home much more safely. And that's really mission number one for us.

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Question and Answer Session – Transcript only

TIM STARKS, CQ Roll Call:  Hi, Tim Starks from CQ Roll Call. I have questions for both of you. Going back to the HMMWV for one moment. If you mentioned this, I apologize. Did you say the new chassis is in the field, or is it something you're hoping to convince the military that they need?

GREG SCHMIDT:  No, it's currently not fielded. It is fully developed. And it has been field tested. And we're going to go over that in detail at the AUSA event. But we have several that have been in the field and have been field tested. And you'll see one of those on display at AUSA.

TIM STARKS:  I know DARPA has been talking about the next generation kind of armored vehicle. I didn't know if this was something that you were looking at as part of that program, or as something separate from?

GREG SCHMIDT:  No, we consider this to be something separate from. And we really believe that the HMMWV, for both the Army and the Marine Corps, and many of our allies, will have a role in addition to these future vehicles that DARPA and the U.S. Army are planning.

TIM STARKS:  Thank you. And then for Jeff: You mentioned the need to upgrade the APR-39 as a response to the evolving threat. And I didn't know if you could go into any kind of detail about what that threat was, and how this would respond to it specifically.

JEFF PALOMBO:  Well, I won't go into particularly what the threats are, but the APR-39 is a piece of equipment that's been around for 15 years, essentially. Almost unchanged over that period of time. We threats evolve extremely rapidly today. Think of that period of time over 15 years. And it's kind of “shame on us” collectively that the government and industry have permitted a capability like this to atrophy over that period of time. And in all fairness, the reason that that happened is, we weren't really in theaters of operation that were RF-intensive. If you think of the theaters that we've been in Iraq and Afghanistan, we've gained air superiority very quickly; therefore, that particular survivability aspect was not all the way up on the priority list.

But now, as you look at some of the evolving threats, some of the different potential theaters of operation, it's evident that we need that particular upgrade and to go from an analog to a digital capability, to the point where the APR-39 can do a better identification of the potential threat. Any time you can increase survivability with that kind of capability is something we really need to take that next step with.

BILL SWEETMAN, Aviation Week:  Jeff, can you talk a little bit about the status of the EPAWSS program that the F-15 adaptation is aimed at. Also, can you achieve that upgrade without working on the front end, the RF antennas as well? Do you also have new antenna designs that will drop in the same real estate?

JEFF PALOMBO:  The only thing I'll say about EPAWSS—and for those of you not familiar with it, it's the U.S. upgrade program for the F-15—it's in the throes of competition right now. So I'll have essentially no discussion associated with EPAWSS.

Our approach is to provide that fifth-generation capability at the most affordable cost, both for the electronic warfare suite and for the installation, that Group A that I talked about.

Valerie Insinna, National Defense:  I had a couple questions for Greg about the Humvee. The field testing that you talked about, was that internal, or have you gotten in front of the Army yet? And can you give some concrete examples of how performance would be improved with the new chassis?

GREG SCHMIDT:  Yes, we've actually had a cooperative agreement with the US Army. And we have through that agreement upgraded four vehicles, two of the vehicles the U.S. Army has taken for a variety of testing, and we have taken two vehicles and have tested them at the Nevada test site, about 30 miles northwest of Carson City, Nevada. And we put significant mileage and endurance testing on those.

Again, we'll go through a lot of this specific data at AUSA, but one of the most impressive things that has been accomplished is we have been able to increase the miles per gallon to approximately 16 miles per gallon for our HMMWV. And again, for those of you who may drive a large pickup truck, like myself, that may not be as efficient or almost darn-near as efficient as my truck, but a HMMWV, that is a significant improvement for an up-armored HMMWV. I think it also does a whopping zero to 60 in about 22 seconds.

And again, we'll have several videos. I'll have some other detailed information on that at AUSA as well.

GEOFF FEIN, Janes:  Hi, Geoff Fein from Jane's. Mr. Palombo, given what you've talked about here today, I'm wondering what other areas—since a lot of the equipment out there is old, a lot of it is in need of upgrades; the services certainly have said that. The theater is beginning to change. There's a focus on the Pacific. Are you starting to see other opportunities, at least on the horizon? If so, what kind of things are you beginning to see that are also being discussed that the services want to see some upgrades in?

JEFF PALOMBO:  There's a couple of places where I can give you some specific examples, Geoff. As you know, Northrop Grumman has been the contractor for the LAIRCM, the Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasures system and the DoN LAIRCM, so Department of Navy; same thing there.

And as the IR threats– so this is protection against shoulder-fired missiles, heat-seeking missiles. So as the IR threat has continued to evolve very rapidly over the last ten years, five years, two years, we have managed through upgrades of those systems that are already on airplanes to keep ahead of the threat.

And it can be things like changing, tracking algorithms, like upgrading and changing how our laser defeats and tracks the head of a seeker missile, for instance. And if you look at the LAIRCM program, you will see five generations of systems for infrared countermeasures, directed infrared countermeasures, specifically to defeat evolving threats.

The second thing is on the Army side of the equation, for their infrared countermeasure system, known as CIRCM, Common Infrared Countermeasure system. We are in the throes of a competition there as well.

But the benefit is, and I talked about it briefly, I talked about the modularity and open architecture. So when you have the ability to swap out portions of your system, whether it's internal to a piece of electronics or an entire LRU, it makes your system more valuable to the customer, because when they have to change something because there's a new threat, they don't throw the system out and start all over again.

So if you need a different laser to defeat something, we have the ability to put a different laser on our system. If there's a new tracking device that industry comes up with, we have the ability to integrate that without changing the balance of the system.

So that modularity, that open architecture is extremely important in terms of sustainment, modernization and upgrade with threats.

The other thing we're seeing from our customers is multispectral sensing. So, how can you do two or three types of sensing in a single system where you used to have three of them on an airplane? So, for instance, we have a system in production called the ATW, the advanced threat warner. And historically in a threat warner package, we would just be looking for missiles, for instance. Well, now in that exact same package, we can do missile tracking. We can do hostile fire indication to see small arms fire. We can do laser warning. We can do situational awareness all in the exact same package. Cost savings, size, weight and power savings, for instance, for helicopters.

So those are examples of a couple of the things that we really see the customer base continuing to ask us of how would we innovate in those particular environment of aircraft survivability.

GEOFF FEIN:  Where are you with this ATW? Can you talk a little bit more about that?

JEFF PALOMBO:  We can. As a matter of fact, if you get online, you'll see information on the advanced threat warner. We have been in production for the Navy and Marine Corps for about a year, a year-and-a-half, now, in terms of systems. We've been asked to put that system on MV-22s, for instance, in a rapid deployment fashion. So that was one of the other things I talked about today, is speed to deployment.

The ATW is unique in industry in terms of its packaging, its form factor, and the fact that it is multispectral in that small package. Matter of fact, Greg's talked about AUSA. We generally have a demonstration model of ATW at AUSA; just stop by, Geoff.

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